From: Mark Fowler Date: 14:08 on 14 Feb 2004 Subject: Mac OS X and Force Quit Okay, why doesn't force quit force quit? Camnio stops responding (okay, that's what I get for using beta versions, so sue me.) It sits there showing the Spinning DoohDah Of Paiiiin. Click and hold on icon on dock. "Force Quit". Camino doesn't immediately die. Huh? SIGKILL it! Or is this some kild of wussy Force Quit? The "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine." kind of force quit? Sod that. Give me back xkill any day. Click. ZAP! GONE. HAHAHAHAHA. What I don't expect, and I really mean this, is the Dock then to start the Spinning DoohDah Of Paiiiin. And Lightswitch X to do the same. And when I finally give up and alt-funny-looking-flower-key-esc to bring up, um, task manager, or whatever it's called, to kill Camino it to unceremoniously log me out back to the login window. Oi! I was using that. For gawds sake, IT'S AN APP. IT DIED. DEAL. Isn't this the whole point in having an operating system, to police the apps on the system? DON'T DIE SHEP! Damn operating systems.
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 16:02 on 14 Feb 2004 Subject: Re: Mac OS X and Force Quit > Okay, why doesn't force quit force quit? Because it's working through Cocoa and the whole GUIcentric Mac interface.. Open terminal, ps waux | grep -i camino, kill -9 $PID. It's UNIX. You know the drill. And try Firefox, it's nice.
From: Nicholas Clark Date: 16:05 on 14 Feb 2004 Subject: Re: Mac OS X and Force Quit On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 10:02:45AM -0600, Peter da Silva wrote: > > Okay, why doesn't force quit force quit? > > Because it's working through Cocoa and the whole GUIcentric Mac interface.. > > Open terminal, ps waux | grep -i camino, kill -9 $PID. It's UNIX. You > know the drill. Does OS X come with a killall script? If so, isn't killall -9 camino less typing? Nicholas Clark
From: Thomas R. Sibley Date: 16:03 on 14 Feb 2004 Subject: Re: Mac OS X and Force Quit Nicholas Clark wrote on 02/14/04 11:05: > On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 10:02:45AM -0600, Peter da Silva wrote: [snip] >>Open terminal, ps waux | grep -i camino, kill -9 $PID. It's UNIX. You >>know the drill. > > Does OS X come with a killall script? If so, isn't > > killall -9 camino > > less typing? Or even skill -9 camino.
From: Simon Cozens Date: 16:08 on 14 Feb 2004 Subject: Re: Mac OS X and Force Quit Nicholas Clark: > Does OS X come with a killall script? Yes, but I don't like getting into the habit of typing "killall" because of what it does on other Unices.
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 16:23 on 14 Feb 2004 Subject: Re: Mac OS X and Force Quit The fuckup fairy lives in "killall".
From: Mark Fowler Date: 10:43 on 15 Feb 2004 Subject: Re: Mac OS X and Force Quit On Sat, 14 Feb 2004, Peter da Silva wrote: > Open terminal, ps waux | grep -i camino, kill -9 $PID. It's UNIX. You > know the drill. No. It's a Mac. I WANT TO USE THE POINT AND DROOL INTERFACE. Hell, even my linux box let's me kill an app stone dead with a simple click of the right mouse button. ... ... Oh wait, now I see the problem.
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 15:28 on 15 Feb 2004 Subject: Re: Mac OS X and Force Quit > > Open terminal, ps waux | grep -i camino, kill -9 $PID. It's UNIX. You > > know the drill. > No. It's a Mac. I WANT TO USE THE POINT AND DROOL INTERFACE. So write a script to do it and use Platypus to wrap it in an icon. > Hell, even my linux box let's me kill an app stone dead with a simple > click of the right mouse button. Only if the app is well behaved and goes away when you disconnect its server connection. I've had a few go wild and start using 100% of the CPU when you do that, then you open xterm, ps waux etc etc etc... Tell you what, you really want to build up some good solid hate, try using OS 9. It makes Windows 3.11 seem stable.
From: David Champion Date: 19:22 on 15 Feb 2004 Subject: Re: Mac OS X and Force Quit * On 2004.02.15, in <20040215152835.9FC7941475@xxxxxxx.xx.xxxxxxx.xxx>, * "Peter da Silva" <peter@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > > Hell, even my linux box let's me kill an app stone dead with a simple > > click of the right mouse button. > > Only if the app is well behaved and goes away when you disconnect its > server connection. I've had a few go wild and start using 100% of the CPU > when you do that, then you open xterm, ps waux etc etc etc... If you're really in dire need of killing the app, chances are good that disconnecting its display via an X window kill won't help it, and it might send the rest of the system to the sanitarium. You're likely back to kill -KILL anyway, unless you want to ignore the silently seething tank of bogrot lurking beneath the X server and settle down with the happy illusion that Linux rox0rs because it's designed to always appear to work. I don't think anyone can rationally claim that Linux ... never mind. I don't have such hates to offer anymore, because PRAISE JESUS! I quit using Linux a coupla years ago. --If my fortune holds up. I still have great fear that one of these godforsaken appliance wanks will foist Linux upon me yet, cleverly disguised as something useful and painless. God have mercy on my soul, I *like* my Mac. Except for that stupid, stupid new Finder, and the menu bar, and the lack of hierarchy in the Dock, and the broken terminal emulation, and .... At least I still have nvi. It's the little things.
From: Matt McLeod Date: 11:27 on 15 Feb 2004 Subject: Re: Mac OS X and Force Quit Mark Fowler wrote: > Okay, why doesn't force quit force quit? In my experience it does, but you have to play sillybuggers sometimes: if you switch to another app, then select Force Quit from the apple menu, you can select something and it'll quit properly. As I understand it if an app isn't responding to the system (which is what the wheel means, after all) it isn't going to respond usefully to the Dock's "so what stuff should I put on this context menu?" request, which may well make the Dock unhappy too. Apple->Force Quit. Works every time. Or it has for me, anyway. Matt
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